tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post8940569756083795385..comments2023-06-01T14:41:50.393+01:00Comments on Downed Robin: Thus spake the seraph and forthwith...Andrew Kinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14541926954531770980noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-40787293869605622022014-02-22T17:53:04.836+00:002014-02-22T17:53:04.836+00:00Lol amen! Im glad that you are corresponding with ...Lol amen! Im glad that you are corresponding with me but i do think that the cosmological model in the future will be the flat earth theory of modern times, as do many plasma physicists- the information availble is almost staggering. <br /><br /><br />My wife and I really enjoyed your article and research but we are utterly confounded as to how someone so eloquent in explaining so many aspects of the obviously historically interlocked truth, could not believe a single word of it. It literally blows my mind! Its been really great talking with you! mr. valentinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-26408711873764668152014-02-22T12:37:09.315+00:002014-02-22T12:37:09.315+00:00'Based on the lack of research into these supp...'Based on the lack of research into these supposedly 'fringe' topics' we are no closer to finding out what the truth is. <br /><br />But scientists researching mainstream ideas might answer some of our questions indirectly. For example, they either will or won't eventually directly detect or observe dark energy or dark matter. If they do, score one for conventional cosmology. If this stuff is embarrassingly elusive, maybe some idea like varable gravity, or maybe even the plasma universe, might come in from the cold.<br /><br />My (totally non-expert layman's) money is on some variation on conventional cosmology, but even if this turns out to be the case, nature will probably come up with some totally unexpected twist that nobody had anticipated. Interesting times. <br /><br />'Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we <i>can</i> suppose.' (JBS Haldane)<br /><br />I think we'd probably both support that sentiment, although you'd probably appreciate Haldane's thoughts on consciousness more than I would:<br /><br />'It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms.' <br /><br />Let's just split the difference and agree that he was quite funny about beetles:<br /><br /><a href="http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/23/beetles/" rel="nofollow">There is a story, possibly apocryphal, of the distinguished British biologist, J.B.S. Haldane, who found himself in the company of a group of theologians. On being asked what one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of his creation, Haldane is said to have answered, “An inordinate fondness for beetles.”</a>Andrew Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541926954531770980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-4611170158325852272014-02-21T20:48:52.791+00:002014-02-21T20:48:52.791+00:00Right! very good info and im glad that youtook the...Right! very good info and im glad that youtook the time to research this information!<br /><br />my point here is simple, that the circumstances for the existence of spiritual beings are all around us, yet not connected or identified as such.<br /><br />The plasma universe theory is really pretty simple, basically like i said above, the power of gravity pales compared to the power of electromagnetism, so any creation theory not accounting for this greater attraction( and repel) needs a SERIOUS overhaul.<br /><br />there are filaments throughout the universe known as birkland currents, these birkland currents literally act as electrical power cables in space tranfering energy and spawning galaxies into existence.<br /><br />Especially galaxies that are highly redshifted, many plasma universe theorists believe red shifted galaxies are not this way because of there trajectory, but their composure. the plasma universe is alot less convoluted than the standard cosmological model, which is 97% dark matter, or better put, unknown. In the plamsa universe theory there is no unaccounted for matter, thus this is a more complete model<br /><br />and im not saying that susan pocket discovered that spirits exist, im saying that her theory is proposing the circumstances for spirits to exist. If a brain can generate a consiousness outside of the body purely based on the electricity provided within, then the electrical energy must also be able to stand alone. <br /><br />Based on the lack of research into these supposedly 'fringe' topics, people like yourself can go right along not believing invisble beings can exist, and do exist like the bible, and the last 10,000 years of human history, has recorded. In reality the true study of material and science proves without a doubt the existence of God, spirits etc! thanks for your input!mr. valentinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-49628932300127963852014-02-19T20:16:12.397+00:002014-02-19T20:16:12.397+00:00'Have you ever heard of the plasma universe th...'Have you ever heard of the plasma universe theory? It is basically an explanation of the universe using plasma, or electricity, as its driving creative factor, as opposed to gravity.'<br /><br />No I hadn’t, but I googled it. There’s not much I can say about the plasma physics aspect, as I’m not remotely qualified to comment. But there again, not many people are:<br /><br /><a href="http://dumbscientist.com/archives/a-conversation-regarding-the-electric-universe#msg8" rel="nofollow">'Keep in mind that plasma physics is a highly advanced topic, so you’ll need a 4 year degree in general physics, then at least a year of graduate courses in electrodynamics. Jackson’s textbook is standard, but mastering Griffiths first is highly recommended.<br /><br /><i>Then</i> you’ll get to the plasma physics classes.'</a><br /><br />That's according to Bryan Killett, a physics Phd currently working at JPL, who studys 'geodesy, oceanography, some hydrology and cryosphere stuff, and most shiny objects I see.'<br /><br />In an e-mail exchange with a proponent of plasma cosmology, Bryan takes a look at some of the theory's claims and concludes that plasma cosmology <a href="http://dumbscientist.com/archives/a-conversation-regarding-the-electric-universe#msg4" rel="nofollow">'introduces lots of new assumptions, and can’t account for nearly as many phenomena as mainstream cosmology'</a>. <br /><br />It's a complicated and involved topic, but where plasma cosmology touches on astronomical observations that I (sort of) understand, its explanations don't seem that convincing to me (you can read the whole conversation <a href="http://dumbscientist.com/archives/a-conversation-regarding-the-electric-universe" rel="nofollow">here</a>).<br /><br />Although Susan Pockett controversially locates consciousness in the brain's electromagntic field, rather than the neurons themselves, she's no more claiming that the electromagnetic field can be generated independently of, or without, a physical brain than an electrical engineer would claim to be able to generate electromagnetic induction without a physical device like a transformer. The intro to the relevant Wikipedia article sums it up:<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_theories_of_consciousness" rel="nofollow">'electromagnetic field theories (or "EM field theories") of consciousness propose that consciousness results when <i>a <b>brain</b> produces an electromagnetic field</i> with features that meet certain criteria; Susan Pockett and Johnjoe McFadden have proposed EM field theories'</a> [my emphasis].Andrew Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541926954531770980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-235031378019375962014-02-18T18:47:55.948+00:002014-02-18T18:47:55.948+00:00Indeed!!!
Have you ever heard of the plasma univ...Indeed!!! <br /><br />Have you ever heard of the plasma universe theory? It is basically an explanation of the universe using plasma, or electricity, as its driving creative factor, as opposed to gravity.<br /><br />Gravity, as it turns out, is the weakest of the four forces of nature, thus why center a cosmic creation around this the weakest force?<br /><br />electromagnetism is a much stronger candidate for creation, this cld be the 'battery' u are refering to. <br /><br />The plausibility of consciousness as an emergant factor of electricity is undeniable, i believe. There is a research professor, Susan Pockett i think her name is, that proposed the idea of consciousness as not being neccessarily 'in' the brain, but arising from, or radiating from, due to the electrical response of firing synapses. Very interesting stuff! Thanks for chatting with me!<br /><br />mr valentinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-50753725940102676142014-02-18T15:04:45.734+00:002014-02-18T15:04:45.734+00:00'would it be out of the question to assume thi...'would it be out of the question to assume this energy would never need a body, but be able to appear as a physical being? What is consciousness but intepreted eletrial energy? Is it likey even, that consciousness arose first without form?'<br /><br />Yes, nerve signals use electrical impulses and, to that extent, consciousness is ‘interpreted electrical energy’. But, as I understand it, those electrical signals depend on physical biochemistry (the electrical potential of the physical structures, etc). The electrical energy involved doesn’t just float around without reference to the material structures and chemistry that’s going on. So, as far as I know, our form of consciousness needs a body and our form of body needs neurons firing tiny bursts of electrical energy to be conscious. <br /><br />A human body and brain without any electrical impulses would be inert and I’m struggling to visualise the converse situation of organised electrical impulses firing away without anything physical generating them – it’s like trying to visualise a battery storing and discharging electric current, only without the battery.<br /><br />So, out of the question as far as I know. Of course, just because I, as an unqualified lay person, can’t imagine a thing doesn’t mean it’s necessarily impossible – for most of the history of the human race nobody suspected the existence of radio waves, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, etc, etc. – but I wouldn’t be inclined to believe in consciousness without a body without hearing a plausible account of how such a thing might be possible from, say, a very competent physicist. <br /><br />I'll probably go on believing that jinns and angels are most easily explained as subjective phenomena, at least until a lot of people start posting Chelyabinsk meteor-style YouTube videos of an angelic encounter.Andrew Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541926954531770980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-34255072108855124572014-02-18T15:04:36.874+00:002014-02-18T15:04:36.874+00:00‘You mentioned the expansive imagination of the hu...‘You mentioned the expansive imagination of the human when conjuring and recording history, this seems to almost be the opposite of imagination because each society reports basically identical creatures.<br /><br />How many societies worship the snake? or the sun? How many societies divide the universe into three dimensions for heaven hell and earth?’<br /><br />There are similarities between different cultures, but there are differences, too. For example, the weird ancient Egyptian bestiary of walking falcon, jackal, or crocodile-headed deities (including a bipedal pregnant hippo), is very different from the catwalk of incredibly good-looking, if moody, humans inhabiting the Greco-Roman pantheon. Many cultures had a sky god and an earth goddess – except those pesky Egyptians, who had a sky goddess and an earth god. Some people worshipped snakes, whereas for post-Genesis Judeo-Christians the snake is a cursed personification of evil (‘And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life’). <br /><br />At least some of the similarities must have resulted from common experiences, but not all of these are hard to explain – the sun, for example was revered for bringing light and life to people in many different cultures, widely separated in time and space. There’s no need for any special explanation here – whether you choose to see the sun as a deity or not, it actually <i>does</i> bring light and life so it’s not surprising that many cultures independently developed sun worship.<br /><br />‘The division seems to be in seeing the vastness of space as a frontier for oppurtunty for other flesh based beings- i believe this is a logical fallacy. Considering the 'fine tuned' nature of planet earth and beings on it made of flesh, should we then not extrapolate that an enviorment suited for energy thriving and creation wld not begat creatures after this concept?’<br /><br />‘frontier of opportunity’ is probably overstating the case. I’m not claiming that most of space is well suited for life as we know it – the vast majority of space is hard vacuum and most other places look inimical to forms of life as we know it – the surface of stars, airless rocks, frozen or red-hot worlds. But even if nearly all of the universe is unsuited to life, there seem to be so many planets out there that a few of them, by sheer random chance, should be suitable for a form of life that is more or less as we know it (ecactly how 'fine tuned' our world is and exactly how like the Earth a planet would have to be to support life as we know it are questions it's very hard to answer with a sample size of one known life-bearing planet).<br /><br />Life may be rare and advanced life vanishingly rare, but even vanishingly rare things tend to happen more than once if you have sufficiently huge numbers. It’s incredibly unlikely that you, personally, will become a lottery millionaire in the next few weeks, but in a population of millions of people, it’s practically certain that somebody will.<br /><br />Are there radically different forms of life, suited to radically different forms of environment? Maybe, but these sort of questions are way above my pay grade (as an unpaid amateur blogger, I don’t actually <i>have</i> an on-line pay grade, but you know what I mean). <br /><br />A biologist specialising in extremophiles, or genetics, or biogenesis, a physicist, a chemist, a biomimeticist, somebody working on AI, or self-reproducing machines, or some such field might have something more substantial than speculation to offer. As for me, all I can say is that the universe is bigger and stranger than humans can imagine, so who knows?<br /><br />Andrew Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541926954531770980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-19853946650193895372014-02-17T23:45:41.751+00:002014-02-17T23:45:41.751+00:00Hey i appreciate the correspondance! You have a gr...Hey i appreciate the correspondance! You have a great deal of facts and information and i appreciate that in an opinion! However we may be missing the forest for the trees, as a society. You mentioned the expansive imagination of the human when conjuring and recording history, this seems to almost be the opposite of imagination because each society reports basically identical creatures.<br /><br />How many societies worship the snake? or the sun? How many societies divide the universe into three dimensions for heaven hell and earth? Would it be prudent of a future society to disregard all improbable information from this the modern era?<br /><br />The division seems to be in seeing the vastness of space as a frontier for oppurtunty for other flesh based beings- i believe this is a logical fallacy. Considering the 'fine tuned' nature of planet earth and beings on it made of flesh, should we then not extrapolate that an enviorment suited for energy thriving and creation wld not begat creatures after this concept?<br /><br />following this line of reason would it be out of the question to assume this energy would never need a body, but be able to appear as a physical being? What is consciousness but intepreted eletrial energy? Is it likey even, that consciousness arose first without form?<br /><br />what would an energetic as opposed to a materialistic creature look like? what would the abilities of this creature be? Are their any worldy examples that fit into this pattern of thinking? yes, the angels.<br /><br />Im sure u are aware of the islamic/middle eastern concept of demons/jinn. the koran writes that the Jinn are made of 'smokeless flame' and are beings that are created from some sort of irradescence. Are the angels, demons, spirits of old merely just basic explanations of the metaphysical certainty of a bodiless consciousness? I look forward to your opinion on this!mr valentinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-10628360409902374032014-02-17T16:16:57.360+00:002014-02-17T16:16:57.360+00:00‘While it may be a likely scenario that myths and ...‘While it may be a likely scenario that myths and legends do get acquired through trade and travel, this does not exclude the very real possibility that these stories originated from actual events.’<br /><br />Quite true. Not only did flood legends seem to have been passed from culture to culture, but they may well have been inspired by real events. The Middle Eastern flood legend first crops up in Mesopotamia, an agricultural society that grew up around rivers and must have experienced many real floods, some of them catastrophic. <br /><br />These may have been amplified by oral traditions and legends inspired by more dramatic floods. The Black Sea deluge hypothesis is disputed, but there must have been many humans who experienced the flooding of large areas of land as post-glacial sea levels rose (I don’t know much about sea levels in the ancient Near East, the but the flooding of the plain that used to connect Britain to mainland Europe circa 6,500BC is a well-evidenced local example of what must have been happening to low-lying areas around the world).<br />So as far as I’m concerned, flood legends get a qualified thumbs up – they probably had some basis in fact, even though the deluge clearly wasn’t the world-wide event portrayed in the legends (although to early people, such events might have seemed world-wide, in the sense that they may have affected most of their known world).<br /><br />Moving away from the Middle East, it’s not very surprising that many other cultures had flood legends, as the same sort of factors applied – the post-glacial sea level rise was a world-wide event and agriculture tends to arise where you’ve got rivers and flood plains. Given the importance of water to animal and human life, lots of groups of people have lived in river plains (hunter gatherers and pastoralists as well as agriculturalists). River systems were also important transport links, at a time when the most high-tech vehicles were dug-out canoes, rafts and coracles. But it’s a big jump from floods to angels.<br /><br />‘why jump at the mysterious void of outer space when there are ancient, vetted accounts of alien beings, the angels?’<br /> Because we’re at the stage of knowing that there must be billions of worlds out there, but having only one indisputable example of life (let alone intelligent life) and we just don’t know what else might exist in far-off corners of the mysterious void (or whether we self-aware creatures are a freak, lone accident on a wildly atypical planet).<br /><br />As for the accounts of alien beings / angels, well, there are certainly many of these, but I’d use the word ‘anecdotal’ rather than ‘vetted’. We have physical evidence of ancient floods and sea level rises. There may be a reality behind angel stories, but the only thing I’m positive about is that most human beings have vivid dreams and vivid imaginations, like to make up stories, have used psychoactive substances for millennia and are subject to many known types of cognitive illusions. <br />Moving from absence of evidence to evidence of absence, lots of people have seen lots of strange things – UFOs, aliens, angels, etc. - up until very recently. If some of these things existed, I’d be expecting to see a lot of very odd, otherwise inexplicable, camera phone footage, now that that millions of people have cameras on them at all times. As per <a href="http://xkcd.com/1235/" rel="nofollow">XKCD</a>, I’m not.<br /><br />‘What if the reason humanity cannot find alien life is because it doesn’t exist physically? and the only aliens are spiritual, because isn’t flesh in itself primitive?’<br /><br />Maybe advanced alien life does exist in some form we can’t readily imagine. But as, by definition, I can’t readily imagine such possibilities, I can’t really usefully comment on them. Not knowing what’s possible and what might be out there is the exiting bit!<br />Andrew Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541926954531770980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-24363909713163113182014-02-13T12:49:25.630+00:002014-02-13T12:49:25.630+00:00Not only does the epic of Gilgamesh report a flood...Not only does the epic of Gilgamesh report a flood story in the ancient past, but so do hundreds of other cultures in the world. Hundreds of cultures that don have simiar trading routes, for instance american indian flood stories. <br /><br />While it may be a likey scenario that myths and legends do get acquired through trade and travel, this does not exclude the very real possibilty that these stories originated from actual events.<br /><br />Im sure u believe i cld be from one of either two camps: ancient astronauts or Christian and im of bth.<br /><br />You spoke of galaxies and the possibility of extraterrestrial life, why jump at the mysterious void of outer space when there are ancient, vetted accounts of alien beings, the angels? What if the reason humanity cannot find alien life is because it doesn exist physically? and the only aliens are spiritual, because isn flesh in itself primitive? mr valentinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-46135932596856002292014-02-09T12:37:03.826+00:002014-02-09T12:37:03.826+00:00I remember reading an old science fiction short st...I remember reading an old science fiction short story about a guy called Zeke having a close encounter with a spaceship full of bizarre aliens, the plot twist being that "Zeke" turned out to be the prophet Ezekiel describing his vision of angels in the language of Sci-Fi and UFOology. I can't remember the title or the author and a bit of light googling hasn't tracked it down, yet.<br /><br />It makes for an exciting story, but I think these creatures have more to do with dreams, strange things that happened to a friend of a friend and the immensely fertile human imagination, than with eyewitness reports of ancient astronauts. <br /><br />With billions of potentially habitable planets in our galaxy alone, who knows, there might be spacefaring civilisations out there.<br /><br />But its a big leap to conclude that they've come calling on the basis of myths and anecdotes, however powerful, intruiging and engaging. <br /><br />And it's not so strange that similar myths emerged in more than one Middle Eastern culture. These cultures were geographically proximate and interacted through trade, as well as occasional warfare, invasion and conquest.<br /><br />Exiting though it would be to conclude that widespread tales of angels and similar celestial beings recorded encounters with aliens, I'm afraid that there's probably a far more prosaic explanation - the transmission of myths and archetypes between cultures. <br /><br />The Bible shares the story of a world-wide flood and an ark with the Sumerian <i>Gilgamesh</i> epic, but that probably means that one culture borrowed aspects of a myth from another culture, rather than both stories being independent records of a real event.Andrew Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541926954531770980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4419359887373244512.post-74214366682317634432014-02-09T01:49:25.991+00:002014-02-09T01:49:25.991+00:00great stuff here man. very nteresting read. isn it...great stuff here man. very nteresting read. isn it strange that all these ancient cultures, seperated by thousands o miles and ages of time report similar being in personality and appearence. <br /><br />hints more towards being a true stry than imaginative writers.mr valentinenoreply@blogger.com